Friday, October 31, 2025

2 PCG Reversed Games 10/30/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 2026) - sargantana23 (Chess.com 2151), Chess.com 10/30/2025

1.e3 e5 2.e4 Nc6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f4 d6 6.Na4 Bg4 7.Nf3 Bxf3 8.Qxf3 Nd4 9.Qd1 Bb6 10.Nxb6 axb6 11.d3 Ne6 12.f5 Nc5 13.Be2 O-O 14.O-O d5 15.b4 Na4 16.Qc2 d4 17.c4 Nc3 18.a3 Qd7


19.Bb2 Nxe2+ 20.Qxe2 b5 21.cxb5 Qxb5 22.Rac1 Qb6 23.Rc5 Rfe8 24.Rfc1 c6 25.g4 Nd7 26.R5c2 Qd8 27.Kh1 Qh4 28.Rg1 h6 29.Bc1 Ra4 30.g5 hxg5 31.Bxg5 Qh3 32.Rg3 Qh7 33.Bc1 Rea8


34.Qg2 Kf8 35.Rh3 Qg8 36.Rh4 R4a6 37.Qh3 Ke7 38.Rg2 Nf6 39.Qg3 Nd7 40.Rg4 Qh8 41.Rxg7 Qh5 42.Qg5+ Qxg5 43.R7xg5 Rh8 44.Rg8 Rh3 45.R2g3 Rh5 46.R8g5 Rh8 47.Rg8 Rh5 48.R8g5 Rh8 49.Rg8 Rh5, draw.

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Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (lichess 2020) - mateuder (lichess 1981), lichess 10/30/2025

1.e3 e5 2.e4 Nc6 3.d3 Bc5 4.Nc3 h6 5.f4 d6 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.Be2 Nf6 8.Na4 Bb6 9.Nxb6 axb6 10.O-O O-O 11.c3 Be6 12.a3 d5 13.Nxe5 dxe4 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.dxe4 Nxe4 16.Qxd8 Raxd8 17.Be3 Rfe8 18.Bf3 Bb3 19.Rae1 c5


20.Bc1 f5 21.g4 g6 22.gxf5 gxf5 23.Bxe4 fxe4 24.Kf2 Kf7 25.Rg1 Kf6 26.Be3 Rg8 27.Rxg8 Rxg8 28.Rg1 Rxg1 29.Kxg1 Kf5 30.Kf2 Kg4 31.f5 h5 32.f6 Kf5 33.Kg3 Kxf6 34.Kf4 Bd5 35.h4 Bc6


36.b4 cxb4 37.axb4 Bd5 38.Be5+ Kg6 39.Ke5 Bc6 40.Ke6 b5 41.Be3 Bb7 42.Kd7 Bd5 43.Kxc7 Kf5 44.Kd6 Bc4 45.Kc5 Kg4


46.Kd4 Kf3 47.Bg5 Bd3 48.Bh6 Kg4 49.Bg5 Kf3 50.Bh6 Kg4 51.Bg5 Kf3, draw.

Thursday, October 30, 2025

PCG Reversed & PCG 10/29/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 2023) - cmupadhyai (Chess.com 1853), Chess.com 10/29/2025

1.e3 e5 2.e4 d6 3.d3 Nf6 4.f4 exf4 5.Bxf4 Bg4 6.Be2 Bxe2 7.Nxe2 Nh5 8.O-O Nxf4 9.Nxf4 Be7 10.Nc3 c6 11.Kh1 O-O 12.Qg4 Qd7 13.Qxd7 Nxd7 14.Rae1 g6 15.d4 Bf6 16.Nfe2 Bg7 17.d5 Nc5 18.b4 Na6 19.dxc6 bxc6


20.b5 cxb5 21.Nxb5 Nb4 22.Nxd6 Nxc2 23.Rc1 Nd4 24.Nxd4 Bxd4 25.Rc7 Be5 26.Rd7 f6 27.Nc4 Rac8 28.Nxe5 fxe5 29.Rxf8+ Kxf8 30.h3 Rc4 31.Rxa7 Rxe4


32.a4 h5 33.a5 g5 34.a6 g4 35.hxg4 hxg4 36.Kh2 Ra4 37.Kg3 Ke8 38.Ra8+ Kd7 39.a7 Kc7 40.Re8 Rxa7 41.Re7+ Kb6 42.Rxa7 Kxa7 43.Kxg4 e4 44.Kf4 e3 45.Kxe3 Kb6


46.Ke4 Kc6 47.Ke5 Kd7 48.Kf6 Kd6 49.g4, Black resigns.

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Philidor Counter Gambit

Red_Dervish (lichess 1964) - JimWest (lichess 2020), lichess 10/29/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.d5 fxe4 5.Nfd2 Nf6 6.Nc3 c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Ndxe4 d5 9.Nxf6+ Qxf6 10.Be2 Bc5 11.O-O O-O 12.Nxd5 Bxf2+ 13.Rxf2 Qxf2+ 14.Kh1 cxd5 15.Qxd5+ Kh8 16.Bg5 Qxe2 17.h3 Rf1+ 18.Rxf1 Qxf1+ 19.Kh2 h6


20.Bh4 Qf8 21.Qxa8 Nd7 22.Qxa7 Nf6 23.a4 Bf5 24.c4 e4 25.a5 Qd6+ 26.Bg3 Qd2 27.Qb8+ Kh7 28.a6 e3 29.a7 Be4 30.a8=Q Qxg2#.

Wednesday, October 29, 2025

PCG & PCG Reversed 10/28/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit

Blinkbolt (Chess.com 1890) - JimWest (Chess.com 2018), Chess.com 10/28/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Bxe7 Nxe7 6.Nc3 fxe4 7.Nxe4 d5 8.Ng3 e4 9.Ne5 O-O 10.Be2 Nbc6 11.O-O Nxe5 12.dxe5 c6 13.c4 Be6 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.Qd4 Nc6 16.Qc5 Qe7 17.Qe3 Nxe5


18.f3 exf3 19.Bxf3 Nxf3+ 20.Rxf3 Rxf3 21.Qxf3 Qc5+ 22.Kh1 Rf8 23.Qe2 Bd7 24.Qe5 Re8 25.Qg5 h6 26.Qg6 Qf2 27.Rf1 Re1 28.Qd3 Rxf1+ 29.Nxf1 Bc6


30.h3 d4 31.Qc4+ Kh8, White resigns.

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Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (lichess 2025) - Bresci (lichess 2062), lichess 10/28/2025

1.e3 Nf6 2.d3 e5 3.e4 Nc6 4.f4 Bc5 5.Nc3 d6 6.Na4 O-O 7.Nf3 Bg4 8.Be2 Bxf3 9.Bxf3 Nd4 10.fxe5 Nd7 11.Nxc5 dxc5 12.Bf4 f6 13.O-O Nxe5 14.Bxe5 fxe5 15.c3 Nxf3+ 16.Rxf3 Qg5 17.Qb3+ Kh8


18.Raf1 Rxf3 19.Rxf3 Qc1+ 20.Rf1 Qe3+ 21.Kh1 Qxd3 22.Qf7 h6 23.h3 Qd6 24.Qf3 Rd8 25.h4 Qd3 26.Qxd3 Rxd3 27.Rf7 Rd2 28.Rxc7 Rxb2 29.Rxc5 Rxa2 30.Rxe5 Kg8 31.Re7 Rb2


32.c4 Kf8 33.Rc7 a5 34.c5 a4 35.c6 bxc6 36.Rxc6 a3 37.Ra6 a2 38.Kh2 Re2 39.e5 Ke7 40.Kg3 Rxe5 41.Rxa2, draw.

Tuesday, October 28, 2025

PCG Reversed & PCG 10/27/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 2013) - butsah (Chess.com 1873), Chess.com 10/27/2025

1.e3 Nf6 2.d3 g6 3.e4 d6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 Nc6 7.O-O e5 8.c3 exf4 9.Bxf4 Re8 10.Bg5 h6 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.Nbd2 d5 13.exd5 Qxd5 14.d4 Bf5 15.Bc4 Qd6 16.Re1 Na5 17.Rxe8+ Rxe8 18.Qa4 Nc6 19.Qb3 Qd7


20.Re1 Rxe1+ 21.Nxe1 Na5 22.Qb5 Nxc4 23.Qxd7 Bxd7 24.Nxc4 Be6 25.b3 Bxc4 26.bxc4 c5 27.Nf3 Kf8 28.Kf1 Ke7 29.Ke2 Kd6 30.Kd3 cxd4 31.cxd4 Bg7


32.g4 a6 33.a4 b6 34.h3 f5 35.gxf5 gxf5 36.Nh4 Ke6 37.d5+ Ke5 38.Ng6+ Kd6 39.Nf4 Be5 40.Ng6 Bg3 41.h4 h5 42.Kd4 a5 43.Kd3 Kc5 44.Ne7 Bxh4 45.Nxf5 Bd8 46.Ng7 h4 47.Ne6+ Kd6 48.Ke4 Be7 49.Kf3 Ke5 50.Kg4 Ke4


51.Nc7 Kd4 52.Nb5+ Kxc4 53.d6 Bd8 54.Nc7 Kb3 55.Ne6 Bf6 56.Kf5 Bd8 57.Kg4 Bf6 58.Kf5 h3 59.Kxf6 h2 60.d7 h1=Q


61.d1=Q Qh4+ 62.Ng5 Qf2+ 63.Kg6 Qc2+ 64.Kg7 Qc3+ 65.Kg6 Qc6+ 66.Kg7 Kxa4 67.Qd4+ Kb5 68.Qb2+ Ka6 69.Qe2+ Qb5 70.Qg2 Qe5+ 71.Kg6 a4


72.Qa8+ Kb5 73.Ne4 Qe6+ 74.Kg5 Qe5+ 75.Kg4 Qd4 76.Kf3 Qd3+ 77.Kf4 a3 78.Qe8+ Kb4 79.Qe7+ Ka5 80.Qe5+ Qb5 81.Qc3+ Qb4 82.Qe5+ b5


83.Qc7+ Ka4 84.Qa7+ Kb3 85.Qe3+ Ka2 86.Qe2+ Kb3 87.Qd3+ Ka4 88.Qc2+ Ka5 89.Qc7+ Ka4 90.Qc2+ Qb3 91.Nc5+, Black forfeits.

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Philidor Counter Gambit

B29092013kseniya (lichess 2068) - JimWest (lichess 2013), lichess 10/27/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.dxe5 fxe4 5.Ng5 d5 6.c4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 d4 8.Qa4+ Nc6 9.Qb3 dxc3 10.bxc3 Be7 11.Nxe4 Nxe5 12.Qb5+ Nc6 13.Qh5+ g6 14.Qf3 Nf6 15.h3 O-O 16.Bh6 Re8 17.Be2 Nxe4 18.Qxe4 Bf8


19.Qf4 Bxh6 20.Qxh6 Qd3 21.Qd2 Rxe2+ 22.Qxe2 Qxc3+ 23.Qd2 Qxa1+ 24.Qd1 Qxd1+ 25.Kxd1 Be6 26.c5 Rd8+ 27.Ke2 Bxa2 28.Ra1 Bc4+ 29.Ke3 Rd3+ 30.Ke4 Rd4+ 31.Ke3 Rd5 32.Rb1 Ba6


33.Rc1 Kf7 34.Ke4 Re5+ 35.Kf4 Ke6 36.f3 Re2 37.g4 h6 38.h4 Re5 39.Rc3 g5+ 40.hxg5 hxg5+ 41.Kg3 Nd4 42.Kf2 Ne2 43.Rc2 Nf4 44.Rc3 Re2+ 45.Kg1 c6 46.Rc1 Re5 47.Kf2 Nd3+, White resigns.

Monday, October 27, 2025

PCG Reversed & PCG 10/26/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 2008) - javitrapaga (Chess.com 1945), Chess.com 10/26/2025

1.e3 Nf6 2.d3 e5 3.e4 d5 4.f4 Nc6 5.fxe5 Nxe5 6.d4 Ng6 7.e5 Ne4 8.Nf3 Be7 9.Bd3 O-O 10.O-O c5 11.c3 a6 12.Nbd2 Nxd2 13.Bxd2 Be6 14.Be3 Rc8 15.Qd2 Qc7 16.Rac1 Rfd8


17.Ng5 Qd7 18.Nxe6 Qxe6 19.Bf5, Black resigns.

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Philidor Counter Gambit

tamerhoms776655 (lichess 1918) - JimWest (lichess 2026), lichess 10/26/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 d6 3.d4 Nc6 4.Nf3 f5 5.Nc3 Be7 6.dxe5 dxe5 7.Qxd8+ Bxd8 8.Bb5 Bd7 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 10.Nxe5 Bxe4 11.Nxe4 fxe4 12.O-O Nf6 13.Re1 O-O 14.Bg5 Re8 15.Bxf6 Bxf6 16.Nd7 Bxb2 17.Rab1 Bc3 18.Re3 Bd4 19.Reb3 Bb6


20.Nxb6 axb6 21.a3 Ra5 22.Rc3 Re7 23.Re1 c6 24.f3 Rae5 25.Rce3 Kf7 26.fxe4 Ke6 27.c4 b5 28.cxb5 Rxb5


29.Kf2 Rf7+ 30.Kg3 Rg5+ 31.Kh3 Rh5+ 32.Kg3 Rg5+ 33.Kh3 Rh5+ 34.Kg3 Rg5+, draw.

Sunday, October 26, 2025

PCG Reversed & PCG 10/25/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 1999) - Jdmirandachess (Chess.com 1976), Chess.com 10/25/2025

1.e3 e5 e4 Nf6 3.d3 Bc5 4.f4 exf4 5.Bxf4 d6 6.c3 Bg4 7.Be2 Bxe2 8.Qxe2 Nc6 9.Nf3 h6 10.Nbd2 Qd7 11.d4 Bb6 12.Nc4 O-O-O 13.Nxb6+ axb6 14.O-O Rde8 15.Rfe1 Nxe4 16.Qd3 f5 17.d5 Ne7 18.c4 g5 19.Bc1 Ng6


20.Nd4 Nc5 21.Rxe8+ Rxe8 22.Qf5 Qxf5 23.Nxf5 Re1+ 24.Kf2 Nd3+ 25.Kf3 Nge5+ 26.Kg3 Rxc1 27.Rxc1 Nxc1 28.Nxh6 Nxc4 29.Nf7 Nxa2 30.Nxg5 Nxb2 31.h4 Nd3 32.h5 Ne5 33.h6 b5 34.h7 Ng6


35.Nf3 Nc3 36.Nd4 Ne4+ 37.Kg4 b4 38.Kf5 Nh8 39.Kxe4 Kd7 40.g4 Ke7 41.g5 Kf7 42.Kf5 b3 43.Nxb3 Kg7 44.Nd4 Kxh7 45.Nb5 Nf7 46.g6+ Kg7 47.gxf7 Kxf7 48.Nxc7 Ke7 49.Nb5 Kd7


50.Kf6 b6 51.Kf7 Kc8 52.Ke7 Kb7 53.Kxd6 Ka6 54.Kc6 Ka5 55.d6, Black resigns.

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Philidor Counter Gambit

bianca-slave (lichess 1982) - JimWest (lichess 2040), lichess 10/25/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Nc3 e4 7.Ne5 Nf6 8.Bg5 Bb4 9.Qd2 O-O 10.a3 Bxc3 11.Qxc3 c6 12.Be2 Qe8 13.O-O Nbd7


14.f4 exf3 15.Nxf3 Ne4 16.Qe3 Nxg5 17.Qxe8 Nxf3+ 18.Bxf3 Rxe8 19.Rae1 Rxe1 20.Rxe1 Nf6 21.c3 Bd7 22.Re3 Re8 23.Rd3 Bg4


24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.gxf3 a5 26.a4 b5 27.b3 bxa4 28.bxa4 Rb8 29.Ke3 Rb1, White resigns.

Saturday, October 25, 2025

PCG Reversed & PCG 10/24/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (Chess.com 1975) - sculls72 (Chess.com 1831), Chess.com 10/24/2025

1.e3 Nf6 2.d3 g6 3.e4 d6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Be2 e5 7.c3 exf4 8.Bxf4 O-O 9.O-O h6 10.h3 Kh7 11.Nbd2 Nd7 12.Qc2 Nde5 13.d4 Nxf3+ 14.Bxf3 Kg8 15.Rae1 Qh4 16.Bh2 a5 17.a4 Bd7 18.Nc4 Rae8 19.Qf2 Qg5

20.Qe3 Qxe3+ 21.Nxe3 Na7 22.b3 b5 23.Nd5 bxa4 24.bxa4 Bxa4 25.Nxc7 Rc8 26.Bxd6 Rfd8 27.e5 Nb5 28.Nxb5 Bxb5 29.Be2 Bxe2 30.Rxe2 Rxc3 31.Ra2 Rc4 32.Rxa5 Rxd4

33.Ra7 R4xd6 34.Re7 R6d7 35.Rfxf7 Rxe7 36.Rxe7 Kf8 37.Re6 Kf7 38.Rd6 Re8 39.Rd7+ Kg8 40.Rd6 Kh7 41.e6 h5 42.h4 Bf6 43.g3 Kh6 44.Kg2 Be5 45.Ra6 Re7 46.Kh3 Kg7 47.g4 Kf6 48.gxh5 gxh5 49.Rc6 Kf5 50.Ra6 Rxe6 51.Rxe6 Kxe6

52.Kg2 Kf5 53.Kh1 Kg4 54.Kg2 Kxh4 55.Kh1 Kh3 56.Kg1 Kg3 57.Kh1 h4 58.Kg1 Kf3 59.Kh1 Ke2 60.Kg2 Bg3 61.Kh1 Be5 62.Kg2 Bd6 63.Kh1 h3 64.Kg1 Kf3 65.Kh1 Kg3 66.Kg1 Kf3 67.Kh1 Bg3 68.Kg1 h2+ 69.Kh1 Ke2 70.Kg2 Bb8 71.Kh1 Kf1, stalemate.

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Philidor Counter Gambit

Hamrass (lichess 2054) - JimWest (lichess 2031), lichess 10/24/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 f5 4.d3 c6 5.Ng5 d5 6.exd5 cxd5 7.Bb5+ Nc6 8.O-O Nf6 9.h3 Bd6 10.d4 e4 11.h4 O-O 12.f4 Qb6 13.Bxc6 bxc6 14.c3 h6 15.Nh3 Ba6 16.Re1 Rab8 17.b4 Ng4 18.a4 Bd3 19.a5 Qd8


20.g3 a6 21.Nf2 Nxf2 22.Kxf2 Qf6 23.Be3 g5 24.hxg5 hxg5 25.Qh5 gxf4 26.gxf4 Rb7 27.Rg1+ Rg7 28.Nd2 Rff7 29.Rxg7+ Rxg7 30.Rg1 Rxg1 31.Kxg1 Kg7 32.Kf2 Qg6 33.Qxg6+ Kxg6


34.Nb3 Kh5 35.Nc1 Bc4 36.Ne2 Bxe2 37.Kxe2 Kg4 38.c4 dxc4 39.d5 cxd5 40.b5 axb5 41.a6 Bb8 42.Bc5 b4 43.Ke3 b3 44.Bd4 Bxf4+ 45.Ke2 Bb8 46.a7 Bxa7 47.Bxa7 b2, White resigns.

Friday, October 24, 2025

PCG & PCG Reversed 10/23/2025

Philidor Counter Gambit

jadallah1947 (Chess.com 1947) - JimWest Chess.com 1978), Chess.com 10/23/2025

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 f5 4.Bxg5 Rxg8 5.exf5 Bxf5 6.c3 Be6 7.d4 exd4 8.Nxd4 Bf7 9.O-O Be7 10.Qf3 c6 11.Bf4 g6 12.Re1 Na6 13.Nd2 Qd7 14.Ne4 O-O-O 15.Bxd6 Bxd6 16.Nxd6+ Qxd6 17.Qxf7 Rgf8 18.Qe6+ Kb8 19.Qh3 Nc7


20.a4 a6 21.b4 h5 22.b5 cxb5 23.axb5 axb5 24.g3 b4 25.Ne6 Nxe6 26.Rxe6 Qd2 27.cxb4 Qxf2+ 28.Kh1 Qf3+ 29.Qg2 Rd1+ 30.Re1 Rxa1 31.Rxa1 Qxg2+ 32.Qxg2 Rd8


33.Re1 Rd2+ 34.Kh3 g5 35.b5 g4+ 36.Kh4 Rxh2+ 37.Kg5 Rb2 38.Re5 Ka7 39.Kxh5 Kb6 40.Kxg4 Rxb5 41.Rxb5+ Kxb5


42.Kf5 Kc5 43.g4 b5 44.g5 b4 45.g6 b3 46.g7 b2 47.g8=Q b1=Q+ 48.Ke5 Qe1+ 49.Kf4 Qf2+ 50.Ke4 
Qd4+ 51.Kf3 Qd5+ 52.Qxd5+ Kxd5, draw.

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Philidor Counter Gambit Reversed

JimWest (lichess 2039) - Frussen (lichess 2033), lichess 10/23/2025

1.e3 e5 2.e4 Nf6 3.d3 d5 4.f4 dxe4 5.fxe5 Nfd7 6.d4 Nb6 7.c3 c5 8.Bb5+ Bd7 9.Bxd7+ Qxd7 10.Ne2 Nc6 11.O-O O-O-O 12.Qb3 Qe6 13.Rxf7 Qxb3 14.axb3 cxd4 15.cxd4 Kb8 16.Be3 g6 17.Nbc3 Bb4 18.Nxe4 Nd5 19.Bg5 Rdf8


20.Rxf8+ Rxf8 21.Rf1 Rxf1+ 22.Kxf1 Kc7 23.N2c3 Nce7 24.Bxe7 Nxe7 25.d5 Bxc3 26.Nxc3 Kb6 27.Ke2 Kc5 28.d6 Nc6 29.d7 Kb6 30.e6 Kc7 31.Ke3 Kd6 32.Ne4+ Kxe6 33.Nc5+ Kd6 34.Nxb7+ Kxd7


35.Nc5+ Kd6 36.Ne4+ Ke5 37.h4 a5 38.g4 h5 39.gxh5 gxh5 40.Ng3 Nd4 41.Nxh5 Nf5+ 42.Kd3 Nxh443.Kc4 Nf5 44.Kb5 Nd4+ 45.Kxa5 Nb3+ 46.Kb4 Nd4 47.Kc3 Kd5 48.Nf4+ Kc5 49.Nd3+ Kd5 50.b4 Ke4 51.Nc5+ Kd5


52.Nb3 Nb5+ 53.Kd3 Nd6 54.Nd4 Ke5 55.Nc6+ Kd5 56.Ne7+ Ke5 57.Ng6+ Kd5 58.Nf4+ Ke5 59.Ne2 Kd5 60.Nc3+ Ke5


61.Na4 Kd5 62.Nb6+ Kc6 63.Nc4 Nb5 64.Na5+ Kd5 65.Nc4 Kc6 66.Ke4 Nc3+ 67.Kd4 Nb5+ 68.Ke5 Nc3 69.Nd6 Nb5 70.Nxb5 Kxb5 71.Kd5 Kxb4, draw.